Dear all
We're currently reviewing whether donation processing should be done by our fundraising or finance department.
I would be grateful if others could let me know how it's done in their organisation and how you find it, eg. pros and cons?
Since upgrading our database, donations get entered onto the fundraising database and then exported directly into SAGE.
I'd be interested to hear your thoughts!
Thanks
Kate
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Hi, Kate,
It's not a bad idea to do some kind of check once the data is imported into SAGE.
Even though you have checked the accuracy of import quite thoroughly before implementing, it is possible for an error to be introduced with subsequent software updates. This is not a frequent occurrence, and may never happen in your case, but it is something to be aware of and to make sure that you have checks in place to catch any problems right away.
Best wishes,
Sasha
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Hi Tony
Thanks for your insights. Although I agree with Sandre that it's always good to talk about things and that it's important to focus on functions, it's the functions which primarily concern me. As you say, the way in which Finance work is very different to how we fundraisers work.
This is essentially my quandry, ie. I know Fundraising are already overloaded and because of this, it would seem sensible for Finance to do the processing but I'm not confident they are the right people to be doing it for the very reasons we've been talking about.
Rather than trying to change things to suit, maybe we should be looking at the underlying issue of the overload in Fundraising and how to address it so that they can continue to process the donations as normal?
In terms of inaccuracies, a prodecure whereby donations are checked and signed-off after they've been put on the database but before they get exported into SAGE, should solve the issue (fingers crossed!).
Thanks again
Kate
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Our civil discussion on the UKFundraising Board is often countered with serious arguments between finance and development in non-profit organizations regarding where the contributions are physically received and initially processed.
It is perhaps the most common of what are actually a number of inherent conflicts between the development and accounting departments. Sandre’s correct that personalities are not so much upon which to focus, as the attention should be given to function. However, from what I have come to know, the function is the problem.
Finance and development departments can and certainly do see a particular function in vastly different ways: Sometimes it’s an exercise in the daunting effort to mix oil and water. And here is where, in my opinion, personalities (the qualities or state of being in a person), can only, at best, make the arguments about function occur in a civil atmosphere. I think that a good and positive temperament is even more important in such disagreements regarding function, lest highly charged emotional responses trump rational discourse. All of that reference to semantics to say plainly that I believe the issues between finance and development are almost non-negotiable.
Right at the beginning, I believe there is a decided gulf in many non-profits between the chief development and finance officers concerning basic financial principles---principles which no doubt were mutually shared in the for-profit world where, for the most part, the finance directors worked with their colleague sales managers. Now they need to deal with development directors. And they are a most decidedly different breed indeed.
Development professionals work in fund-raising which, after all, is a subjective science of sorts. That seeming contradiction in terms is what gets them into trouble with the more precise and policy-oriented accounting professionals, most of whom come from the business sector. A development professional’s donor service mentality causes nothing but the most severe consternation in the finance department. as we fund-raising professionals constantly strive to please and accommodate our donors, prospects and volunteers by "flying by the seats of our pants" most of the time. Finance always works by the “book,” and we development types many times find it necessary to throw the “book” out of the window.
No amount of sitting down to talk will result in a change of mind, or compromise, when the finance director is stoutly against the wants of development when we:
-- book pledges “not exactly” confirmed at the time, and seek to carry them out over the fiscal year's end until they are confirmed so we can publish them in the hope they will get us closer to meeting our goal.
-- refuse to commit to make income projections as requested by the finance director of actual endowment or capital cash payments---in amounts by quarter---as she or he demands for such fund-raising campaigns which are not even yet organized, but just being talked about.
-- see the “bottom line” fund-raising result at the end of the fiscal year in a way completely at odds with the finance director’s expectations. Most commercial sales goals are based on the market potential. The numbers are generally scaled to projections of realistic achievement. Most non-profit fund-raising campaigns are based on the amount of contributions needed to balance the budget. Those latter numbers are often far out of the realm of possibility, and the CFO just does not understand that there are many things a for-profit can do to improve its bottom line to meet a sales goal, which are not at all possible for non-profits to do to meet a fund-raising goal. They just cannot accept our inability to forecast as accurately as they insist and think we should---as their former sales manager colleagues were able to do.
-- insist that all contributions (checks, pledges, etc.) must be initially received and processed in the development department.
No amount of the benefits of the best in software programs can counter human error, indifference, turf-guarding, and individuals who otherwise will not cooperate regarding what is in the best interest of the organization. While all of that certainly sounds like it’s personality-driven, I think it’s the oil and water thing; each department being fixed, having defensible arguments, and intractable ways of seeing and doing things.
I hasten to add that I am not a CFO “basher.” When I was a Director of Development, it was the financial department which saw to it that I received my paycheck on time, worked well with me to develop and regularly review required budgets and forecasts, and who helped to pay development-incurred invoices as promptly as possible.
But, in those other matters cited above---to name a few---we continually butted heads like mountain goats during mating season. And we did this nicely, sitting around a table, but each not giving an inch during the discourse, then going out to lunch together. We worked well, nevertheless, in that atmosphere---but when it came to actual operations, development continued to get its way. We simply had to.
Cheers,
Tony
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Hi Sasha and Sandre
It's interesting Sasha that coming from the software company side of things, you've experienced this before, ie. Finance having concerns about accuracy and loss of control. I think what you suggested about putting systems in place to check accuracy is vital and will definitely help to allay their concerns.
I also like your idea Sandre of focussing on functions not people and sitting everyone involved down to talk about a solution which will give both depts what they need. I've definitely got some great advice and opinions to work with now.
I'll let you know how I get on! Thanks for your input everyone.
Kate
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Whatever system is in place is only as good as the people who work it.
Perhaps I'm adding 2+2 to make too large a number here, but it strikes me that the issues you are facing are to do with the people, more than the financial systems. Forget personalities and focus on functions. It's not a question of ownership or "competition" for the tasks - everyone in your organisation is working towards the same end. A (*gentle*) reminder that it is the work that the FR department carries out that pays -all- your salaries might not go amiss ... (Edit on re-reading thread: if your proposed system, which sounds perfectly sensible to me, leaves extra resource in Finance but the FR team overloaded, then someone maybe needs to move seats?)
Why not start with sitting the relevant people down round a table to talk about solutions that might satisfy the FR department's needs for quick response and donor communication and the Finance department's needs for accuracy and timely reporting?
Once the people are engaged, getting any software customisation done to make your agreed system work will be (comparatively speaking) a walk in the park.
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Hi, Kate,
Thanks!
Yes, that is the main issue that I am aware of -- that Finance has concerns about the accuracy of the data that gets transfered into the accounting program. Naturally, they feel protective of their data and it can be very unsettling to feel that someone/something outside of their control is 'in charge' of data entry.
If the same person is responsible for data entry into both the donor management database and the accounting software, then this issue doesn't arise. That is usually only the case in some small organizations.
So, the concern needs to be addressed in nearly all organizations that integrate their donor database with their accounting software.
Two points that will be important are making sure that the Finance department is confident in both the technical and the human side of the transfer. Putting in place clear ways to check accuracy seem to me the way to resolve this.
My perspective comes from working for a donor management software company that integrates with accounting software. As you say the advantages are obvious, but the concerns are also real and with an emotional aspect on both sides that needs to be addressed.
It makes sense to me that development would want to get the checks first, so I am not implying differently in any way. The flow that Tony suggests covers a lot of bases, but I don't think it covers all of the situation where the data entry is essentially being done in Development for Finance. That is a new quirk which technology has brought into the discussion.
To the extent that you can, will you keep us posted on how you resolve this? I think it would help a lot of people in similar situations, as integrating software functions becomes more and more widespread.
Thanks,
Sasha
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Hi Sasha
Before our new database, each donation used to get entered twice - once by the Fundraising Dept. onto the fundraising database and then again by the Finance Dept. onto SAGE.
The new system is fantastic as it's obviously cut the workload down by 50% but has also brought about some issues such as this, ie. who should do the entering.
Now that they are not at the coal face themselves as such, the Finance Dept. are understandably concerned about the accuracy of the data which is getting exported automatically into SAGE.
I hopr this answers your question. I'd be interested to hear any insights you might have.
Thanks
Kate
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Hi, Kate,
This is a very interesting discussion. I wonder if you have any sense of how the integration with SAGE has affected the issue?
Thanks,
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Dear Gerry and Tony
Thank you so much for your feedback and recommendations, which have definitely given me food for thought and back up my original opinion that donation processing should be handled by Fundraising.
There is a lot more to it than meets the eye, for example, as well as entering the value of the donation and payment method, decisions have to be made as to its source and various other codes. If it's from a new supporter, they first need to be added and their mailing category decided etc. When adding existing donations, things may also be uncovered which need actioning such as finding out that another person prompted the donation who also needs to be thanked, or corrupt or incorrect data which needs cleaning. It makes sense that these tasks fall within Fundraising’s remit.
Gerry: just to put your mind at rest, yes, we do always have two people opening the post which is date stamped etc. As the donations are exported to SAGE, if Fundraising were to process donations, Finance would definitely have more time on their hands. However, their point of view is that it would free up time in Fundraising who are overburdened with administrative duties such as sending out support materials to supporters.
Tony: I agree how important it is for Fundraising to see the fruits of our success and have a handle on what's going on so appropriate action can be taken. As Development Manager myself, I too insist that I see everything as soon as the post arrives. There's definitely something special about seeing it in first hand.
Big thanks again
Kate
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Kate: I’m solidly with George and Gerry on this one. Quite often, I have seen sharply divided opinions regarding just where donors’ checks, pledges, and other donor communications should go next---after they leave the mail room---to be certain that all goes right, and with unerring dispatch, with the donations’ receiving, posting, acknowledging, reporting, and banking process.
Finance wants to be the receiver of the first resort. They are worried about possible theft, lost or misplaced funds, and failure, in general, to meet what they regard as standard accounting procedures. They are under the gun to provide up-to-date budgets and forecasts for the monthly meetings of the board of trustees, and for all other such timely reports required in between.
Development wants to be the receiver of the first resort. They want as quickly as possible to know the results of their fund-raising campaigns with no delay. They not only want to see the successes to better gauge their progress toward meeting their goals, but they especially need to know of major losses from donors’ refusing to give and from previous donors who greatly reduced their levels of giving. Development is under the gun to move faster to try to reclaim the lost or reduced funding by expanding the fund-raising campaign’s activities in time for the end of the campaign year.
But there is something else about this issue which is not usually in the consciousness of finance, and it has to do with the development department’s mindset regarding the routing of contributions to development: --- That is, the morale boost and the excitement the development staff experiences when contributions are received in that morning’s mail.
--- Show “Me” the money.
I wanted all of the contributions, not some of them, delivered directly to my development department, and as promptly as possible from the time they were dispatched by the donors. Not as an after-the-fact from finance when they were able to get around to it, but first and foremost in the department and location where such gifts should logically be directed. We differed with finance mightily when it came to my development department’s point-of-receipt of our organization’s charitable gifts. I understood the concern of the finance manager regarding antitheft and other security measures perhaps best lodged in the finance department, but opening the mail each morning, with the hope and the anticipation of first seeing those new and renewed gifts, and to be ready for fast action when there was bad news, was something I simply would not give up.
I have always insisted that all checks---all gift transmittals---from any source, should first go directly to the development department. With that in mind, one of the main things to consider is to have a flow chart which will have the daily donor report listing of all contributions received---perhaps electronically transmitted from the development department to accounting---and the checks then promptly delivered by hand or via internal mail to accounting. Or maybe the flow chart will have both the typed daily donor report listing and checks hand delivered to accounting from the development department once the gifts are reported and posted.
No matter what, a careful receiving and posting process in development and a careful receiving and validating process in finance---with both departments having at least two persons cross-checking their results---is absolutely necessary. The lifeblood of an organization is the precious funds it receives from its generous and caring donors. That makes it essential that the most expeditious and accurate routing-of-gifts process be worked out and agreed to and followed to the letter by finance and development.
Working to solicit those hard-won contributions, considering all the slogging effort and the time that it takes to get them, then to have the results be received in another department, then routed to the development department second hand---was simply not an acceptable arrangement.
To me, it’s somewhat like Dad, Tony, and Grandma opening and reading the post addressed to Billy Elliot from the Royal Academy of Ballet, then to have them finally pass on the results to Billy. (A stretch, I know, but I loved the movie and the musical performance I attended in London last year.) The suspense and emotion regarding that particular “post,” simply would not have been as meaningful to Billy if it was first opened in another “department.”
Tony